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Post by Somedude on Dec 29, 2007 13:48:27 GMT -5
You know that made no sense whatsoever.
~SD[/color]
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Post by Ngakunui on Jan 1, 2008 19:44:24 GMT -5
In it's current state, I'd say it could've been better. It certainly recovered a bit with the release of the Mahri, but personally, I think some of the '08 sets just don't have a very Bionicle-ish feel to them in some fields, and are too organic in some ways. I would prefer if they were more textured and mechanical as opposed to the more plain and organic style they produce them in nowadays.
-Gakurak
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Post by Somedude on Jan 1, 2008 21:16:50 GMT -5
Really? I saw the Mahri as continuing the downhill spiral for Bionicle.
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Post by Madaraki on Jan 1, 2008 23:04:31 GMT -5
The story lost something after Mata Nui and it started dropping sharply with the release of the Piraka. While the Metru Nui storyline was interesting, half the fun of Mata Nui is that everything around them was primitive/cobbled together.
Hell, there's probably a nerd out there who built Le-Koro in the trees in his backyard.
After that, nobody could really do any "surrounding environment" construction. Everything seemed to shift away from the mythical/tribal themes.
I mean, really, the Quest for the Ignika hasn't felt nearly as engaging as the original Quest for the Great Masks did.
The other problem (tying in with the Piraka here) is the pieces.
Toa Mata: new sets, new stuff, etc. Toa Nuva: Armor added, new leg/arm/mask/weapon pieces. Toa Metru: 100% new body structure Toa Hordika: 90% new body structure (upper legs/arms stayed the same) Toa Inika: New torso, arms/legs largely recycled from Metru days except the longer leg pieces. Toa Mahri: 100% recycled parts except for the masks. Jaller and Nuparu were the only ones that actually had that "Toa" feel to them. Toa Phantoka: 100% recycled parts, again, except for the masks.
I don't think it helped that after the Hordika, the parts began feeling recycled and used between both friend and foe (Inika shoulder areas, Piraka torsos,, Piraka legs, etc.)
Looking at the villains, the rahi were just plain awesome. No set color scheme, no direct-enemy-matchups, no identical-price setup.
Then it changed. The Rahkshi, Vahki, and Visorak were alright as they brought in newer parts each round, even if they did all seem like "Hi, I'm that guy with a new color".
Cue the Piraka. The feet were awesome, but that was it. Colors weren't good for mixing with other sets, weapons were pretty much meh, poseability was shot to hell, and those launchers couldn't hold ammo worth beans.
The Barraki were IMO, a step up from the Piraka. The body construction of each was different, each one had new parts/design, and it all. Unfortunately the squid launchers completely sucked.
Now we're getting these new weirdos alongside the Phantoka (term eluding me. Blagh. These things look good. Similarly different body constructions and we get a nifty action feature that ISN'T in the form of a new weapon.
The Titans have been consistently awesome however (exceptions being Nocturn, Lessovik, and Ignika. Too much $$ for a Titan sets)
Overall, I think it needs improvements, but it is recovering from the falls that were Hordika and Piraka.
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Post by Somedude on Jan 2, 2008 12:38:52 GMT -5
Overall, I agree with you. '08's bringing Bionicle back around, I think.
'05 I see as the falling point. The Hordika were very good sets, but they were the start of the phasing out of that...playability factor. You couldn't do anything with them. '06 merely continued this downhill slide with the advent of the Inika and Piraka. Neither of them were all that good. Then we come to '07, which, fitting the setting of the year, I see as the low point of Bionicle. The Mahri were really pretty bad, though I agree that the Barraki made good sets as each had a different construction and such. '08's sets so far, though, have been decent. Sure the Toa severly lack new parts. That's annoying. But of course we can't expect much anymore from the hero sets now can we? The Makuta (was that the term you needed Yamamura?), however, are just as good as the Barraki were setwise, possibly even more.
I won't comment on the Titans because I haven't bought one since '03.
~SD[/color]
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Post by Madaraki on Jan 2, 2008 15:43:53 GMT -5
Well, looking at the titan sets; (not counting the $19.99 Nui-Rama as they weren't really singular characters, or the '08 titans since I don't have them.)
Makuta (lol first titan set? This was a good one. Legs sucked joint-wise, but the arms were okay, and the "action feature" was simple yet interesting)
Takanuva Lhikan and Kikanolo Dume & Nivawk Nidhiki Krekka Roodaka Sidorak Keetongu Voporak The Shadowed One Sentrakh Axonn Umbra Irnakk Brutaka Botar Vezon & Fenrakk Kardas Nocturn Hydraxon Gadunka Maxilos & Spinax Lesovikk Karzahni
Blah, never got around to locating Nidhiki, Umbra, or Irnakk. Pretty much all of these sets were decent (Except Dume & Nivawk and Irnakk. A friend of mine assembled it for one hour to see how it looked and took it apart in disgust). The combiner-titans aside from Irnakk (TSO, Voporak, Sentrakh, Botar, Kardas) were a bit of a mix. I'll be blunt. TSO sucked. Seriously. A three-legged dinosaur-necked thing with stubby arms is not something I would immediately identify as "The Shadowed One".
Still, a few meh ones out of a fairly big list like that isn't bad at all.
Oddly enough, I found that the Piraka-era titans were some of the best. Axonn was excellent after being given a few upgrades. Vezon and Fenrakk were just plain awesome, and Brutaka's one of those few sets you can assemble and really not find anything wrong with at all.
Now the only thing that puzzles me is why a toa-sized titan like Nocturn, with a really thin/skeletal body frame even NEEDS those leg pistons. Brutaka, Axonn, Fenrakk, Maxilos, I could understand. Even Hydraxon to an extent as he's relatively top heavy..but..Nocturn?
EDIT: I would like to thank someone for pointing out an annoyance that's nagged me for ages.
LEGO.
YES, YOU.
GIVE US DIFFERENT EYE COLORS NOW.
LIGHT GREEN AND TRANSPARENT ORANGE ARE JUST PLAIN GETTING OLD.
DIFFERENT COLOR HEADS MIGHT BE BETTER TOO.
THERE CAN ONLY BE SO MUCH BLEY.
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Post by Somedude on Jan 2, 2008 17:21:46 GMT -5
LEGO.
YES, YOU.
GIVE US DIFFERENT EYE COLORS NOW.
LIGHT GREEN AND TRANSPARENT ORANGE ARE JUST PLAIN GETTING OLD.
DIFFERENT COLOR HEADS MIGHT BE BETTER TOO.
THERE CAN ONLY BE SO MUCH BLEY.
QFT.
Personally, I never focused on eye colors. They didn't really mean much to me.
~SD[/color]
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Post by slymaster15 on Jan 3, 2008 14:20:12 GMT -5
I voted that it could've been better. Like in 2007, really a whole summary of the story would be:
The Toa Inika have been Mutated By the mask. A sea creature is mutated by the mask. A matoran is mutated by the mask. Matoro saves Mata Nui. Karhzani Dies and is killed by a psycho possessed robot.
My favorite story years were 2001-2003.
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Post by Crono on Jan 3, 2008 14:32:47 GMT -5
I Never got why the Phantoka didn't have the Same Eye Colors that the Toa Mata/Nuva had. And i never found out why they Did have the Color Green for all the Toa Inika. Plus the Toa Inika Heads Scared me, But I was Happy when they got back to the Old Toa Metru Heads.
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Post by Somedude on Jan 3, 2008 14:35:49 GMT -5
Karzahni didn't die >>
The Inika heads were terrible but accurate; they illustrated the 'glowing face' thing very well.
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Post by Crono on Jan 3, 2008 16:37:30 GMT -5
Apparently Not...
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Post by kopakalady on Jan 4, 2008 12:41:45 GMT -5
I wuv the storyline so far, there are some points in it that bug me a lot or just get old, but I'm very impressed how far the story has been taken and still is going strong. Still...there is something missing, something that has been missing since before 04' and I can't place what it is. My best theory would be 01-03 actually felt like well, BIONICLES. Even with the slightly small storyline. Now sometimes it feels like a bunch of robots running around and blwoing each other up. Do kids really like that these years?
I simply voted good, I still am excited about the storyline but I wish they would bring that whatever it is back in Bionicle that made the whole Bionicle universe feel really unique compared to any other fantasy/si fi thing that has been created.
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Post by Crono on Jan 4, 2008 14:51:33 GMT -5
I think that the Thing thats Missing is the Gears, Possibly the Turaga(Who we have not Seen(Other than Vakama) Since 2005).
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Post by Somedude on Jan 4, 2008 15:12:48 GMT -5
I believe most kids could care less about the story. They just want sets that shoot stuff, no?
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Post by Madaraki on Jan 4, 2008 15:25:16 GMT -5
I say there are two things that're making Bionicle lose its "touch" right now.
1: As mentioned before, the whole tribal/mythical feel the storyline had when it was set in a quasi-mechanical nature setting. That was what really kept it apart from the general "robots in robo-land" thing it's sort of in now.
2: The fact that bionicle parts are cropping up in other sets. With the Mata and Nuva; every non-connector/rod piece was totally unique to that series alone. After that, those pieces started "migrating" so to speak and now seem to have worked their way into a lot of other sets.
3: Okay, I know I said two, but this is more recent than just the '03-'04 stuff KL mentioned. Playsets. Seriously...the playsets are just...bleagh.
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Post by Somedude on Jan 4, 2008 16:15:09 GMT -5
The playsets were the worst set ideas I've seen from Bionicle. Really.
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Post by WiffleBall on Jan 4, 2008 21:39:20 GMT -5
... Am I the only one that doesn't like it anymore?
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Post by Madaraki on Jan 5, 2008 0:05:55 GMT -5
Looking at the two big areas to answer your question:
Storyline: I've lost some amount of interest...big time. Sets: Interest holding. While things haven't been top notch, there's enough new and flashy stuff to keep me hooked.
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Post by LORD INTERNET DOT COM on Jan 5, 2008 18:05:33 GMT -5
... Am I the only one that doesn't like it anymore? I don't really like it any more, but I don't dislike it either. I imagine this applies to a lot of members here.
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Post by Kate on Jan 5, 2008 18:32:29 GMT -5
The playsets were the worst set ideas I've seen from Bionicle. Really.
~SD [/color][/quote] QFT. I think my like for it is dormant. It's sitting there doing nothing for the minute, waiting for something great to come along to get excited about. Like steampunk Bionicle...now that, that would make me really happy
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Post by WiffleBall on Jan 6, 2008 14:28:16 GMT -5
... I don't know what the steampunk means.
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Post by LORD INTERNET DOT COM on Jan 6, 2008 14:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by Monasti on Jan 10, 2008 12:38:32 GMT -5
I didn't understand what we were rating, so i like chese...
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Post by Kaiba Gal on Jan 10, 2008 12:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah...what is with the 'I LIKE CHESE', 'I LIK CHEESE' and 'I LIKE CHEESE' thing anyway. I didn't know cheeses even existed in the BIONICLE universe 0_o
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Post by kongu479 on Jan 10, 2008 13:05:07 GMT -5
I voted could be better. I agree that the storyline has dropped and isn't as good as it was back in 2001-2005. I wasn't really happy with 2006, since alll the figures were basically carbon copies of eachother. I wonder why I have each Inika though...
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Post by Somedude on Jan 10, 2008 15:51:15 GMT -5
Yeah...what is with the 'I LIKE CHESE', 'I LIK CHEESE' and 'I LIKE CHEESE' thing anyway. I didn't know cheeses even existed in the BIONICLE universe 0_o Look at who made the topic. Do you understand yet.
~SD[/color]
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Post by Vahiki Reborn on Jan 10, 2008 17:09:34 GMT -5
Honestly, it's still pretty awesome. It's one of the deepest stories I've ever come across, and there's still a lot of epicness, and despite what people say, the set are still badanus. My only real problem with this year of Bionicle is that there's too much grey on the Toa Nuva. Other than that, Bionicle still pwns.
And Downfall was, both storywise and literary, an amazing work. It managed to be quite mature while being accessible to all age groups, and adavance the story in awesome ways. Sure, it had its fair amount of cheesy lines, but it also had a large amount of epic moments.
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Post by Rekky on Jan 11, 2008 1:22:46 GMT -5
Yeah...what is with the 'I LIKE CHESE', 'I LIK CHEESE' and 'I LIKE CHEESE' thing anyway. I didn't know cheeses even existed in the BIONICLE universe 0_o Look at who made the topic. Do you understand yet.
~SD[/color][/quote] Are you tempting me? Bionicle is still epic but is less epic.
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Post by Kaiba Gal on Jan 15, 2008 6:40:25 GMT -5
Yeah...what is with the 'I LIKE CHESE', 'I LIK CHEESE' and 'I LIKE CHEESE' thing anyway. I didn't know cheeses even existed in the BIONICLE universe 0_o Look at who made the topic. Do you understand yet.
~SD[/color][/quote] I do now.
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Post by Toa Cehk on Jan 18, 2008 19:25:48 GMT -5
Very good? Only Very good? BIONICLE is MEGA EXELLENT!!
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