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Post by john on Jun 27, 2009 0:56:03 GMT -5
Does that mean every site that is linked to from mod must have those rules? If that's the case, then things would probably get as bad as BZP's Advertising Policy. If not, it's unfair to impose the rules on just one site.
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Post by LORD INTERNET DOT COM on Jun 27, 2009 6:45:01 GMT -5
Imatron this is pretty dumb of you to decide to close down the forums; either nobody understands your plan because you have not explained it properly, or you have explained it properly and it's just really dumb.
Untrue. See aanchir's post.
Also I agree with what Sagas said; if we have a videogames forum then we might as well have other non-Bionicle forums like music etc.. You making a non-Bionicle forums for non-Bionicle topics is rendered utterly redundant if you demand to have a videogames forum; and as well as that if you look in the videogames forum we have right now, you'll see that there are only 6 threads, one of them with 3 posts in and one one (your one!) with none at all.
Threatening to shut down the forums forever is dumb and selfish. You inherited these from Mark, but now because everyone else doesn't want to go along with your silly plan you're threatening to shut down everything.
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Post by Monasti on Jun 27, 2009 6:59:37 GMT -5
Yeah. I agree with Aegis.
And i quit btw.
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Post by DEIMOS on Jun 27, 2009 16:15:12 GMT -5
Aegis, don't be an instigator. that's not nice.
OMG it's a freaking video game thread. freaking woop-dee-doo!
not only is Immy freaking ****** off, and everyone here is either trolling, *****ing to the mods about their problems with the trolling, or just leaving in duisgust, but i cannot believe how childish EVERYONE is being around i mean seriously!
everyone should just FREAKING GROW UP ALLREADY!!!!
i am really ****** right now. i'm done talking in what seems to be the ONLY THREAD ANYONE POSTS IN.
sorry for the asterisks, but i am a little edgy right now.
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Post by LORD INTERNET DOT COM on Jun 27, 2009 16:17:20 GMT -5
Shut up Deimos, being blunt is not the same way as being instigative.
Also whining in the rest of your post completely invalidated it. "GROW UP BAWWWWWWW" doesn't work.
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Post by DEIMOS on Jun 27, 2009 16:20:50 GMT -5
uh dude. edited mah post.
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Post by Timekeeper on Jun 27, 2009 16:49:25 GMT -5
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Post by Nate on Jun 27, 2009 18:02:02 GMT -5
well, the end of this set of forums i near...... the switch happens on the 29th.... I don't even know or care if i rejoin the bionicle part of it. and i don't really care if im staff over there either.
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Post by Imatron on Jun 27, 2009 22:20:20 GMT -5
The new MoD site will have those three rules and then some, but the new non-bionicle site will have those three rules without the "and then some".
If I imposed the same rules on both, I might as well be in charge of both sites, or just keep these forums. The idea is to take the community that is hear now, give them a new house, and pass them the keys. Im not going to pull a Britain and make them fight if they want those three rules removed, Im saying they can vote the rules off but if I start seeing p__n all over the place Im removing the link. If I find a link to a site thats full of p__n or is outright racialy offensive, Ill pull that link too.
Its some combination of this.
The thing is, Im making two sites here. One is MoD, one is for the guys here, bionicle fans or not, to have their own site, the people here who make up MoD now. Then onve you guys have secured and established the site, we wait and see what happens to MoD's forums. If they prosper, then the forums stay. If I or my replacments ban one of you, you still have the non bionicle forums. If I or my replacements cannot keep up and it winds up being trashed, or it just gets one post a month of the staffers asking if anyones even here, then we remove the forums as they are not being used, but the NON bionicle forums will still be up, so essentialy we'd be removing the MoD News site's forums for inactivity. Then itd be up to a future generation to decide to put forums back on.
Im not threatening to shut them down, Im making a plan to shut them down if theres no point in having them. If you guys are on the other site then if the need to remove the forum arises, we can remove it without breaking apart your community.
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Post by john on Jun 28, 2009 2:58:13 GMT -5
wait so you just admitted your plan is dumb
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Post by Monasti on Jun 28, 2009 6:26:29 GMT -5
The new MoD site will have those three rules and then some, but the new non-bionicle site will have those three rules without the "and then some". If I imposed the same rules on both, I might as well be in charge of both sites, or just keep these forums. The idea is to take the community that is hear now, give them a new house, and pass them the keys. Im not going [glow=red,2,300]to pull a Britain [/glow]and make them fight if they want those three rules removed, Im saying they can vote the rules off but if I start seeing p__n all over the place Im removing the link. If I find a link to a site thats full of p__n or is outright racialy offensive, Ill pull that link too. Its some combination of this. The thing is, Im making two sites here. One is MoD, one is for the guys here, bionicle fans or not, to have their own site, the people here who make up MoD now. Then onve you guys have secured and established the site, we wait and see what happens to MoD's forums. If they prosper, then the forums stay. If I or my replacments ban one of you, you still have the non bionicle forums. If I or my replacements cannot keep up and it winds up being trashed, or it just gets one post a month of the staffers asking if anyones even here, then we remove the forums as they are not being used, but the NON bionicle forums will still be up, so essentialy we'd be removing the MoD News site's forums for inactivity. Then itd be up to a future generation to decide to put forums back on. Im not threatening to shut them down, Im making a plan to shut them down if theres no point in having them. If you guys are on the other site then if the need to remove the forum arises, we can remove it without breaking apart your community. I take offence. |
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Post by Nate on Jun 28, 2009 11:49:41 GMT -5
he's referencing the American revolution, not taking a hit at british people idiot.
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Post by Timekeeper on Jun 28, 2009 12:15:02 GMT -5
So, it's finally happened. Imatron has created his Final Solution and of course it means killing MoD. If things don't go his way, they go no one's way. How about we just give command to Scholzie and leave things as they are?
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Post by Nate on Jun 28, 2009 13:05:51 GMT -5
i'm kinda okay with that, but i Want to wait until we get switched over to a new board, this board is freakin impossible to use.
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Post by Chubanooba on Jun 28, 2009 14:12:50 GMT -5
I'm lost.
What's happening?
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Post by aanchir on Jun 28, 2009 14:33:47 GMT -5
If MoD goes down the toilet I for one won't miss it too badly. As Immy says, there's already little to no BIONICLE discussion. If the new forum doesn't redeem that, oh well, it was worth a shot. I have no special ties to many of the members here, save those with whom I can just as easily retain ties elsewhere.
And yet I can't say that Imatron is without blame in this. Swert made a very intelligent comment on Eurobricks in the topic about this site's current plans, and I advise anyone to read it when you get time. Part of the reason I joined this site, in addition to an alternative group for BIONICLE-related discussion, is because people I knew such as Swert, Kopaka Lady (Lady Kopaka on the sites whrere I know she's still active), and yes, Imatron were active on this site. Surely with such grand leadership it couldn't go down the tubes, right?
And yet, it did. I'm not sure when it did-- with all the cruddy downtime my temporal memory of this site is unclear. And yet, the site eventually came its current chaotic state. Kopaka Lady is no longer active, having basically lost patience with the site. Swert was banned under circumstances I haven't tried to understand-- I was not there to see the incident, although I would think that running the most complete and authoritative BIONICLE resource online he'd understand administrative responsibilities pretty well. The remaining admin whom I know (Imatron) makes selfish decisions that concern not the site's welfare but rather his own enjoyment of the site, while otherwise exerting no real power to fix the site's many problems.
What problems? Well, let's think back a long time to when Wikipedia had a BZPower article. One note on that article cited MoD as "a haven for banned BZPower members", and for a while I could understand and appreciate that not all these members were not irredeemable misbehavers (bear in mind that back then, there were many controversial issues, in no small part regarding Bionicle Rex's nigh-on-oppressive rule). However, the site now seems like a place where not only can a banned BZP member remain a member, they can get away with the sort of behavior that would never be tolerated on BZP without any real staff moderation.
Swear words are disallowed, but still remain under a loophole that they require only a pathetic and minimal level of censorship. Staff complaints and criticisms abound (and at times with good reason), yet the staff fail to amend their ways and the populace fails to respect authority when it is proper to do so. The main justification seems to be "We're not BZPower", but the site will get nowhere competing with such a large and active BIONICLE site by trying to be everything the other site isn't. There needs to be at least some order, or... well, perhaps it won't get any worse, but that's exactly the reason there are problems.
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Post by LORD INTERNET DOT COM on Jun 28, 2009 15:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by SagasRedemption on Jun 28, 2009 15:17:04 GMT -5
It started going down when Immy moved the forums to here due to the software issues of the last boards.
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Post by LORD INTERNET DOT COM on Jun 28, 2009 15:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by Nate on Jun 28, 2009 16:37:32 GMT -5
Thats true, But i think a lot of it has to do with the inability to be nice to people as well.
everyone comes here like" OH NO YOU'RE MORE LAX THAN BZP BADDDD" or "hes mean to me by saying i'm a noob" etc etc, that It makes people leave. all of the "great leadership" that Aanchir mentioned created problems of their own because of their own views. KL wanted to make this place follow ALLL the rules that were imposed on bzp, which would not only be oppressive, but also unrealistic and pointless. So she left. Swert Was abusing his powers recently, and making no efforts to improve this site for the better or to be a "Great Leader" as you called him. And imatron, while hes done a pretty whatever good job by himself, had flaws of his own, such as a few unexpected absences for long periods of time, and now his adamant view on what to do next. So its a lot of causes, and, In my opinion, these "Great Leaders" as you called them Aanchir are just as much at fault for this as the "Bad members." And to be honest, i don't understand why you want to create more problems by bitching about this when you're hardly even active. if you want to help the community, Become part of it and don't CRITICIZE it at every other turn. Its people like you that are making this place die by coming, bitching about pointless crap, and then leaving and giving the site a bad rep elsewhere.
I think that the COMMUNITY here needs to get in better touch with each other, be nice to each other, respect each other, and be more willing to accept newer members. TBH i think the most tightly knit group of members on this site Are The ones that founded New Mod, myself included. We tried to do what imatron is trying now Ages ago, because we knew that we had grown up from this place but still wanted to talk to each other. And when we had one slip over here, or said one bad thing, we were the first ones to be banned. So yeah, say that we're the "truoublemakers" or the problem, but Really, we're the ones that fixed it.
Im done. Come get me when the new forums are opened.
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Post by Imatron on Jun 28, 2009 19:34:01 GMT -5
I apologize, it wasnt ment as an insult, it was intended to be a comparison of America's seperation from Britain to convey the subject.
In my head its "If the forums cant be peacfull bionicle forums like they should be, there wont be any forums attached to out news site". Leaving things as they are means, in my mind, letting a biker gang move into the schools' playground, and not getting the kids out of the playground or preventing them from entering during recess. The bikers arent neccesarily bad people, but their changing the evironment from what it should be. I feel I am obligated to to my job as I understand it and clear the playground for the schoolkids, but rather than call the police and make a big scene Im trying to help them band together and make a Biker pub.
This is also closer to how I view the situation in my own mind.
oooh I didnt realize it could be intepreted as that, what I ment was I agreed with Aegis that my methods of explaining my plans are either misunderstood, or my way of explaining them is incompatible with your understanding. Lets face it, you all know my way with words is at least as unique if not more so than anyone elses, for better or worse.
As for the video games, I can admit and apologize for that being selfish, I wasnt meaning to be selfish though. When I tried to put my foot down on that, I wasnt meaning to say "Well oh yea, I dont care what you think Im making one because Im in charge". I apologize to those who thought it was just that. I did really think it was a good idea, I thought you guys could sympathize with me having one feature added to the forums, like the president adding a golf course to the white house for himself, but giving the white house staff and secret service a set of clubs out of his own pay so they could play too. I never ment anyone any harm by trying to do this.
Another reason behind insisting on the forums having a video game forum was I and the other staff had agreed someone organizing the video games forum would be a big help, this was before I realized I needed to restore the site's original purpose as bionicle forums and went with the split up idea. We had already started training this guy with one other forum staffer. He was very enthusiastic and happy about it. I realized cutting the video games forums out without giving him the position at least until we could see if they would be well accepted into the forums would be like hiring and training somone to operate a forklift, his dream job, and then a weak later telling him "Sorry, weve cut out the need for a forklift driver and moved to a store with room to put everything at ground level." I figured since everyone would benefit from the video games forums and enjoy it, that this was an unneccesary reason to bring up before. Ill just have to apologize to him and make it up to him somehow.
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Post by Specceh on Jun 28, 2009 22:28:45 GMT -5
Imatron this is pretty dumb of you to decide to close down the forums; either nobody understands your plan because you have not explained it properly, or you have explained it properly and it's just really dumb. Untrue. See aanchir's post. Also I agree with what Sagas said; if we have a videogames forum then we might as well have other non-Bionicle forums like music etc.. You making a non-Bionicle forums for non-Bionicle topics is rendered utterly redundant if you demand to have a videogames forum; and as well as that if you look in the videogames forum we have right now, you'll see that there are only 6 threads, one of them with 3 posts in and one one (your one!) with none at all. Threatening to shut down the forums forever is dumb and selfish. You inherited these from Mark, but now because everyone else doesn't want to go along with your silly plan you're threatening to shut down everything. :/ So, it's finally happened. Imatron has created his Final Solution and of course it means killing MoD. If things don't go his way, they go no one's way. How about we just give command to Scholzie and leave things as they are? dohohohohoho I personally agree with the above, there's no reason to shut down MoD, it only needs a bit of tweaking if that's what you want. Any new forum you make will likely be slower than MoD is now. |
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Post by john on Jun 29, 2009 0:35:03 GMT -5
wait why can't Immy host a phpBB board on maskofdestiny.com
that would look a lot more professional than an invisionfree/proboards/other free host
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Post by Imatron on Jun 29, 2009 6:36:27 GMT -5
As best as I understand it, the phpbb systems we had in the first place are bonkered. Apparently we hammered some of it out but I recall issues with it even when we "fixed" it. Plus I want the two forums sites to match, not by look but by sofware systems.
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Post by Nate on Jun 29, 2009 7:52:32 GMT -5
which makes sense if we link to new mod
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Post by Luke on Jul 6, 2009 22:46:37 GMT -5
sigh
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Post by Timekeeper on Jul 7, 2009 0:40:43 GMT -5
kill yourself
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Post by Nate on Jul 7, 2009 7:27:47 GMT -5
yeah actually, Luke, you left here months ago. you have nothing to add.
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Post by Imatron on Jul 12, 2009 22:08:33 GMT -5
His opinions matter as much as anyone elses, I just wish he didnt sink to the level of some of the other members on these forums when talking about it. Luke, I apologize, but one more like that and your gone (and anyone else for that matter who keeps it up). I undertsand your trying to help but adding to the filterdodging/profanity is counterproductive.
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Post by Luke on Jul 13, 2009 4:59:08 GMT -5
No I apologize. I know sinking down to that level was immature and uncalled for. I just had to say some of the things I've been really wanting to say for a while. Its almost impossible to hold back when so many others aren't afraid of holding back at all.
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